Jul. 25th, 2008 01:16 pm
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I've determined that the new Batman films are sadly lacking in strong female leads.

You'd think that an ADA who was helping to put away hundreds of vicious criminals every year would know a little self-defense...that girl easily could have disarmed the Joker, removed an ear or two (or another such body part) and rammed his nasal cartilage up into his brain, effectively killing him and/or maiming him for life.  Especially considering that the only two things he had going for himself at that moment were his insanity and a pocket knife.  *phbbbt*  

But if she'd done what any intelligent woman would have done, then there would have been no need for the Batman to burst in and save the day/risk everyone's lives unnecessarily.  Hmm.  What a dilemma. 

I really am quite upset about this.  Stupid bint deserved to get blown up, if she can't even defend herself minimally.  Maggie, I expected a stronger character from you, not a recap of Katie's dismal performance. 

Date: 2008-07-26 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I agree, but disagree. I totally see what you're saying. It would certainly make sense that she should be stronger, but at the same time, I didn't really see her as weak. She was certainly morally and ethically strong and she even has emotional strength. I felt she defended herself against the Joker well in the party scene. Sure she didn't fight him, but I don't really see her as a physically strong character either. I bet she could hold herself in a fight, but it was sort of unusual. Still.. I'd really have loved to see her punch Joker. It'd have been great.

Also, the whole kidnapping thing, the point was that the Joker was messing with their heads. He wasn't there doing the kidnapping, but used someone she trusted against her, so I can't really hold that against her.

Oh and didn't she carry a taser in the first movie?

Oh and yeah, I really didn't like Katie's performance in the previous movie. It's freakish because I feel like.. like Maggie did a better job at the role, but also did a great job mimicking the feel that Katie had already created. It's sad that Katie's performance was so poor that Maggie could easily jump in and replicate it -- or we could say that Maggie rocks that hard? heh

Date: 2008-07-26 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Don't assume that it's so easy to kill someone by shoving their nose back into their brain. I was practicing this move on Jonathan once (he was defending himself with foam pads on his hands), and he was startled by a door opening, and let down his pads. I was looking at the door too, so I didn't see that he'd dropped he hands, and I hit him in the nose with all of my strength.

Needless to say, he didn't die. Of course, I was very sorry that I'd hit him, but he didn't seem to be in much pain and wasn't even bruised, which makes me wonder about the technique's efficacy. (The people coming through the door were a bunch of prospectives touring PER; I suppose I made their tour somewhat more interesting than it might have been.)

Date: 2008-07-27 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hence, the use of more than one move would prove useful. Which I did mention. :) Still, I feel confident that my point stands: someone well trained in a form of self defense can disable an attacker. Also, I hope you weren't practicing the official self-defense class for women moves on him...we're not supposed to practice with men, unless they've changed their cautionary stance on that.

Date: 2008-08-28 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I was practicing RAD - rape aggression defense - which I think is the "official" self-defense class for women that you're talking about. But the technique, and many others I learned in the class, is hardly unique to RAD...they're used in the military, and by police officers. Jonathan, for instance, knew the technique long before I met him; fighting is fighting, whether you're doing it for a good reason (you got jumped) or a bad one (you like to murder people). Knowing self-defense is just a PC-friendly term for knowing how to fight. The objective is different - to get away, rather than to kill - but the skills are the same.

I think that a significant factor in whether you get out of a bad situation alive is how strong your attacker is, and how skilled he is in the use of his weapon, whether that weapon is his body, a knife, or a gun. Never give up (every second counts), but a 120-pound woman fighting a 250-pound muscle man is like a toddler fighting his mom.

Date: 2008-07-26 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I haven't seen the movie so I can't comment on the scene, but I suspect that a lot of real ADAs know little to nothing about self-defense.

But since you brought up the subject, I clearly remember at least one episode of The X-Files where Scully totally could not fight. It was the one with the death fetishist. She tried to kick him but swung her leg up kinda high, exactly the way they'd tell you NOT to do in any self-defense class, thus allowing the serial killer to grab it easily and throw her to the ground, exactly the way they warn you would happen.

This made me so mad. Like I said, I'd bet a lot of ADAs never study self-defense, but surely an FBI AGENT receives some training in that area!

While I'm on the subject, I also want to say that while The X-Files was one of a very few shows to present a WOMAN as being the cool-headed, intellectual, and logical member of a co-ed team, it bothered me that the nature of the show meant that these same traits meant she was always wrong.


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